Gold: The Monetary System’s Navigational Beacon (w/ Simon Mikhailovich)

Gold: The Monetary System’s Navigational Beacon (w/ Simon Mikhailovich)

SIMON MIKHAILOVICH: My name is Simon Mikhailovich. I’m the managing partner of the Bullion Reserve. My background is for the past 35 years has
been in the investment business. Personally, I was born in the Soviet Union. I lived there until I was 19. Came to the United States in 1978– ’79, I’m
sorry, left in ’78, came in ’79. Ended up in the investment business, went
to Johns Hopkins, got my degree there and then got business degree and then ended up
in the investment business for 35 years primarily dealing in credit, in distressed credit, then
structured credits such as CDOs, and credit default swaps. For the past five or six years professionally,
I’ve been fully focused on gold, not because of some affinity for it, but for the reasons
of my opinion, professional opinion, to which I came based on my credit experience as to
the solvency of our current financial system, and the prospects for fiat money and financial
instruments going forward. Rather than getting into a deep history of
money and all the details, I’m just give you some very basic common sense things, because
that’s how things evolve. When things evolve out of natural market processes,
usually it’s a logic, history and common sense that dictate how things work out. Clearly, if you want to, if I have chickens
and you have cows, and we need to perform some exchange transaction, it’s complicated
to equate chickens to cows. How many chickens, how many for how many cows
and so forth. Over time, commerce started with barter and
fairly quickly, it evolved to some exchange, medium of exchange money. What is money? Money is some a substance that usually has
to meet three criteria. One is that it has to be a store of value. Store of value meaning that if you store purchasing
power in this medium, it will maintain its purchasing power over some period of time,
so that you don’t have to buy anything for a while, you can just defer that purchasing
power until later. The second one is a unit of account. How do you keep track of transactions? Because chickens and cows are incomparable,
it’s important that whatever we transact with be comparable, and that we’re speaking in
the same language when we’re speaking about it. If I say a certain quantity of something,
then you need to understand exactly what I’m talking about and we need to agree on what
that is. That’s part of the importance of unit of account,
so we could keep track of what we’re doing in some form on which we agree. These days, they’re called accounting standards
but in the old days, it was something else, something similar to that. Finally, it has to be a medium of exchange. Medium of exchange means it’s something that
we all accept as something that we are comfortable taking in exchange for our goods. For us to be comfortable to take it as an
exchange for our goods, it has to be a store of value, because often, we don’t immediately
translate it into something else, get rid of it like hotcakes. Those are the three attributes. If you think about those three attributes,
going back to the earliest mentions of money, in Hammurabi Code, Mesopotamia, 1700 BC or
something like that, so this is almost 4000 years ago. They’re talking but first of all, they have
financial system, they had lending, they had derivatives, they had crop financing, all
of that existed already then, and they talked about money as a weight of silver. In other words, there were no coins. It was a weight on silver. Now, this concept of weight is actually very
important. We still have it here today because the word
pound, the British pound, for example, that’s a measure of weight. That is something that comes from the Roman
pound of silver at the time, which was smaller than today’s pound but still, it’s a measure
of weight. In the English language, they were to spend. We all know what it is, to spend money. That actually comes from the Latin word expendere,
which means to spend also to expend, but it also means to weigh and to judge. It’s clear why it’s common sense to take weight
as a common measure because whether you’re measuring in kilos or pounds or stones or
ounces, these are very easily interchangeable and translatable notions. There’s never any question as to what people
are talking about to each other when they measure things in a certain weight. It’s a physically measurable, clearly understandable,
transcends all cultures, all languages. Those are the important things in the emergence
of money. Now, many things have been tried, cowrie shells,
tally sticks, stones, pieces of paper, all things have been tried. Gold emerged as the preferred money for reasons
that have nothing to do with ideology or anybody’s edict or anybody’s law. It’s just something that emerged completely
independently and in fact, gold has been valuable for as long as civilization has been developed. If you look at for example, the Mayan civilization,
this is even pre money almost, it’s 4000 years ago. If you look at the Mayan civilization, if
you look at the Indian subcontinent civilization from 2000 BC, if you look at the Egyptian
civilization, which is 5000 years ago, 3000 BC, all of them may not have used gold as
money but they’ve all revered gold as a valuable and as wealth. When we look at the pharaohs, when they open
the crypts, death in common, gold was buried with the pharaohs because that was the wealth
they were taking into the world beyond. The concept of gold being valuable and the
concept of gold being money is thousands of years old and these are the emergent properties
of gold itself in the market that has selected it as the medium of exchange, the store of
value and a unit of account. Nobody else ordered that. I think that’s very important. It’s also very important to understand or
to realize that the Mayan civilization, the Egyptian civilization, and the Indian civilization
had no connection to each other. They came up with these ideas completely independently
of each other. It has to do with the chemical properties
of gold, of its divisibility, its inertness, that it doesn’t corrode, it doesn’t react
with anything. In fact, all the gold that’s ever been mined,
still exists. It’s also lasting. It’s beautiful. It’s lasting, is divisible, it’s workable,
it’s ubiquitous. Everybody knows what it is. It’s rare, which is what imparts some value. It continues to this day to exist as a valuable
even though financial markets in the United States and Western Europe, let’s say, or investors
in these parts of the world don’t particularly value it, it is valued by the rest of the
world, which is fine. What was the point of having, let’s say, gold
as the basis of money? Well, clearly, if we are transacting in something,
as I said before, it’s important that it’d be a store of value and for it to be a store
of value, it’s important that it’d be scarce. Imagine a very simple example, let’s say tomorrow,
the US government prints enough money and every citizen of the United States receives
a check for $10 million. That would be wonderful. Everybody would be rich. One would think $10 million, what would people
do with these $10 million dollars? Well, they would all go, take their 10 million,
they would want a bigger car, they would want a bigger house, they would want better furniture,
they would want better shower and they would want to remodel their house. But think practically what would really happen
to the price of all these services if all of these people suddenly came up with all
this money to start buying? There are only so many plumbers and there
are only so many contractors and there’s only so many construction materials. It’s intuitively clear that the value of each
dollar would lose its purchasing power dramatically in such a scenario. Now, I know it’s an extreme scenario, but
it basically demonstrates the point. Gold standard is nothing more than putting
scarcity on money, making money scarce, and that’s what makes it valuable. That’s what also prevents inflation. It what prevents money from losing value from
there being an unlimited quantity of more, more and more of it. That’s why for thousands of years, the monetary
system was based on commodities, not necessarily gold, also silver. There were times in Greek civilization when
it was bronze, iron, but in all of those periods of time, these materials had scarcity. The way to debase the money in those days
was not print more money, but would make the content of valuable scarce commodity less. Clipping coins, making coins, for example,
pennies used to be made out of copper but if they were made out of copper today, the
weight of copper and a penny would be worth many times over a penny. Therefore, now they’re made out of some base
metal that is just coated with copper, even to that point. Of course, also, the US coins in the 1930s
were made out of silver, which is why we referred to change of silver. Of course, they’re not made out of silver
because they would be way too expensive by their weight relative to the value of a 25
cents or 10 cents or whatever it is. The whole point of the gold standard was simply
to constrain human propensity for making more and more of something. If they can do that, the governments overspending,
the kings overspending on the wars, it was simply a constraint on the ability to spend
money you don’t have, and to create credit backed by nothing, which is where we’ve been
for the past 50 years. Money that’s based on nothing and credit that’s
backed by nothing. That’s the difference between a fiat system
and a gold based system or some other scarce commodity based system, where the government
and the issuing authorities are constrained by how much money there is, and money has
value versus a system where there are no constraints and we haven’t yet seen the total outcome
of this experiment but we will. Let me give you some context for the role
of gold in the monetary system of the world. I’ll show you some pictures, some things that
are easy to see. The first known, coin. Even though gold has been valuable and a source
of wealth and associated with wealth for many thousands of years, actually, the first gold
coin was minted in Lydia which is Turkey, by King Midas and it looked like this. Serendipitously, these are cufflinks from
Metropolitan Museum of Art. It’s a replica. It’s a copy of this coin that was given to
me by my father, these cufflinks, 30 years ago, this is way before I got interested in
gold. It talk about serendipity. This is what the original gold coin look like. Then from roughly 50 BC, and until 1971, there
has always been a gold coin that was the currency of the realm. In other words, the reserve currency, and
it ranged from Roman coins to Byzantine coin to Florentine coin, and then to British coin
culminating in a British sovereign which is from 1816 and still made by the by the Royal
Mint. The interesting thing about all these coins
that existed for the past 2000 years, one is that there was only one period, before
1971, when there was no gold coin circulating, there was a reserve currency and that was
the darkest of the Dark Ages, roughly from 950 to 1250, something like that. That 300-year period, the darkest of the Dark
Ages, there was no reserve currency gold coin, and the next period is the past 48 years. That should give you some context for the
history of money for the past 2000 years. Now, the interesting thing is that all of
these coins that I’ve just mentioned– the Roman coin, the Florentine, the Floren, the
state, whatever– they pretty much all weighed approximately like this coin. Seven or eight grams of gold. They pretty much all had the same purchasing
power for the entire period that we’re describing, it was either a monthly salary of a Roman
soldier, a couple of these coins. A family could feed itself for about a month
with about half an ounce of gold. The purchasing power has been remarkably stable
over time. Now, Britain went off the gold standard more
or less with some brief interruption prior to World War II, after World War I or during
World War I, and it was necessary because the credit creation was constrained by gold
and they needed to finance the war. What did they do? They created more pounds. The consequence of this, just to give you
a sense, this is today’s pound, up until 1914, this coin, the British sovereign, that was
pound, that was one pound sterling. That was understood as one pound sterling
and circulated actually as such. Today, this is what circulates as a pound. I checked the website today, the Royal Mint,
the Royal Mint, thousand-year old mint, this is 300 pounds. 300 of these coins for one of these coins. That means that the pound in 100 years since
whatever, 1914-’15 through today, lost 99.7% of its purchasing power. The British Empire had declined during that
period and the American empire has ascended during that period. Yet the US dollar lost roughly 96%, 97% of
its purchasing power during the same period. Now, it sounds like, okay, 97%, 99.7%, it’s
pretty much they lost the same, except that if you actually do the math, you would realize
that for the dollar to match the debasement of the pound, it would need to drop by another
90% from here. Those who don’t think we have room to go,
we have plenty of room to go. That’s would not get us there. Now in regards to fiat money, which is printed
money, people tell all kinds of stories. We don’t need to tell any stories. I travel. I’ve been traveling for many years for business,
35 years for work and I like– I just happened to like to collect samples of foreign bills. Over the years, I’ve collected all samples
from the countries where I’ve been. I can just show you all this money. I didn’t bring all of them, I have a whole
pack of them. None of them are worth anything. These were all money that I used while in
these countries when I was there, but today, they’re nothing and I have samples. I’m sure all of you have seen this. This is 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollars, which,
of course, are now worth about $8, $9 on eBay. It’s worth something as a collectible, it’s
not worth anything as money. This is a Russian ruble, which was in circulation
when I was growing up in the Soviet Union. I can tell you that my mother, who was an
engineer with 20 some years’ experience used to get the 170 rubles a month. Today, of course, there’s– well, this is
three rubles, I don’t know where the ruble went. This is three rubles. It says, by the way on this three rubles that
it is backed by all of the assets, gold and precious metals of the Central Bank of Russia. That’s what it says here. Today, this ruble has roughly been devalued
one to 700,000, or something like that, or 70,000 I’m sorry, one to 70,000. Because today, when I was growing up, the
parity, the purchasing power parity between the dollar and the ruble was roughly one to
one. I know you couldn’t buy as nicer things but
in terms of basics– food, bread, and so forth, it was pretty much one to one, where today,
70 rubles equals $1, except that they cut out three zeros at some point. This is 100,000 rubles, and then it’s 100
rubles after the three zeros were cut off. Finally, I’d like to show you this piece of
paper, which is Indian money, where it says in plain English that the money is guaranteed
by the Central Bank of India. That’s right here, 10 rupees. 10 rupees says guaranteed by the central government. Now, those of you who know, just very recent
monetary history know that in 2016, British minister or Indian Prime Minister on the night
of the American elections where Donald Trump was elected, went on the television at 8 P.M.
and essentially demonetized 80% of these notes. Now, it so happened that this note is worth
about 15 cents. This one did not get demonetized, but anything
over $7 worth got completely canceled. Now, it does say that it was guaranteed by
the central government until the central government decided they didn’t want a guarantee it anymore. That’s the problem with fiat money. Fiat means the law, the regulation, it’s by
regulation, it’s not by any other objective measure that doesn’t depend on the good wishes
or goodwill of the government that issues these certificates of confiscation, which
is this paper money. I often get asked, obviously, given what I
do what I think about cryptocurrencies and how do cryptocurrencies connect to gold. Clearly, I’ve given this a lot of thought
and I continue to give it a lot of thought. Some people seem to have a lot of clarity
in their mind about issues about I don’t think most people should have a lot of clarity,
because they’re not clear objectively. Rather than tell you what I really think about
cryptocurrencies, let me preface it by saying I think there is speculative potential in
cryptocurrencies and I own some for that reason. If we’re comparing gold and let’s say cryptocurrency,
as a safe haven, or as something that is a source of independent store of wealth, then
I think it behooves one to ask some questions. I would like to pose some of these questions
to you. I’m not going to answer the questions. I will let you answer your own questions,
and then maybe you can come with your own conclusions. Let me ask you this question. If you were outfitting a ship to sail across
the ocean, knowing that you might face some pretty severe storms, and you were buying
equipment, particularly safety equipment for that ship, would you buy equipment that was
very highly technically sophisticated, brand new but never been tested in a storm? What percentage would you buy that hasn’t
been tested? Would you buy half of it not tested because
it’s really good looking, or looks very efficient, looks very good? Would it be 10%? Would it be none? That’s something for you to decide. The reason I’m asking this question is because
we know that cryptocurrencies have never been tested in a real crisis, systemic crisis,
capital control crisis, not by country like Venezuela, but by the major countries that
do have control of the networks and the internet and do have capabilities. Let me ask you another question. If you are seeking financial independence
and privacy for your assets, for your wealth, do you think it’s a good idea to have every
transaction you perform with your money indelibly and forever recorded in a distributed database,
which you do not control, which no one can control, where the only thing that prevents
it from being audited and brought back to your doorstep five years from now, 10 years
from now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now, is state of the art cryptography of today
or maybe that’s not a good idea? For instance, would you have put all your
money into a Commodore 64 computer which those of you who don’t know what that is, in 1982,
that was state of the art computing system which by the way still holds the record for
the biggest selling computer product ever until now. Now, the only reason it’s the biggest selling
until now, not because it really was the biggest selling, it was the only one and so that was
a company that came up with the state of the art computer. It laid the groundwork for many more computers
that were better and more wonderful and more capable but who remembers about Commodore
64? When you look at cryptocurrencies of today,
first generation technology, just like Commodore was, do you think it’s wise to put a lot of
your wealth and a lot of your hopes into a first generation technology that may have
tremendous future, but actually maybe 1.0 version in a long string of improvements that
are yet to come? It’s for everybody to answer for themselves. Let me ask you another question. In a difficult situation where trust is lost,
where the crisis happens where people lose faith in institutions, financial instruments,
in things that they don’t understand, what is more liquid and more easy to pass as a
form of payment, something that everybody knows what it is, or something that’s fairly
complex, sophisticated, and maybe wonderful, but not known to the vast majority of the
human population, and not really transactable in most ways? I don’t know, you answer for yourself. I know my answer to that question. I think, keep it simple stupid is what they
say, or there’s another great saying, simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Simpler probably is better than complex. Here’s another question that to which there’s
really not a very good answer. Imagine a situation where you need to transmit
a message on which may be your fortunes, the fortunes of your family, your life depend
on or imagine you’re an intelligence agent who needs to transmit an urgent message to
his government from a hostile territory and you have choices, you can mail a letter through
regular post. Now, you do know that this is a time of trouble
and that the government opens every envelope that goes for the mail. You have very thoughtful encryption methodologies
how you can encrypt this letter, but you know that that letter will be tested by specialists
in cryptography, or would you rather send this message by maybe several couriers independently
in handwritten form but completely outside of the definite examination of the postal
network? Essentially, what I’m asking is, is reliance
on a network that is controlled by governments and is not controlled by you in any way or
shape or form, is that a point of failure, or is that a point of strength? That’s up for you to decide. Now, given what’s going on, for example right
now in China and Hong Kong, we know the power of the governments to control the internet,
to block certain sites, to block certain traffic, to unpack certain data packets that go through
the internet. Essentially, cryptocurrencies are using public
postal service, which is the internet, which is controlled by their respective governments
to very large degree, to send encrypted messages with today’s state of the art cryptography,
which may or may not be state of the art tomorrow, and which is subject to vigorous examination,
potentially, by the entities that control these networks. Is that a source of independence, or is that
a source of vulnerability? I think one should answer to oneself this
question. Now if you take the totality of these questions,
and you look at gold, it answers all these questions very straightforwardly. It is the only financial asset that is completely
independent from any network, any counterparty. It doesn’t need anything. You can just pass it to somebody else directly,
just like $100 bill, and it’s over. Unlike $100 bill, it’s not even issued by
anybody and it can’t be canceled by anybody. It just the thing. Another question I didn’t ask is the lasting
nature of data in general, not just cryptocurrencies. If we really think about it, the entire data,
electronic digital data is what, like 50, 60 years old computerization, the advent of
computer science. Do we really have the information or any knowledge
as to how these bits of information will survive over the next 10, 20, 30, 50, 90 years? What about a solar storm? What about some electricity disruption in
the world? We just don’t know. It’s not been tested. We don’t really know, never mind the crypto
currencies. We don’t even know how robust our data storage
is for all of the information that we’re storing. We think it’s robust under normal condition
but under adverse conditions, we just don’t know yet. Again, untested. Gold has been tested for thousands of years,
all the gold that’s ever been mined still exists. It is lasting. It is immutable. It is genuinely scarce unlike electronic bits,
these types of bits, those types of bits, this brand, that brand could be replicated. Maybe this particular can’t be replicated,
but something similar can be created. There’s only one kind of gold, it’s atomic
number 79, there is no other element. There’s no gold 1.0 or 2.0 or 3.0, 3.1, there
are no versions. There’s only been one version in the history
of the world, and it’s still the only version that exists. It is immutable and permanent. Its scarcity, its prominence, its lasting
nature and its independence and its ubiquity in the world. Its worldwide liquidity is what makes it what
it is. Whatever people think about it, or not thinking
about it, it is actually an official global reserve currency, whereby about 10% of central
banks foreign currency reserves are kept in gold. It’s not like one can accept it or denied
or reject it, but that’s just the fact, that’s what it is. Gold is a globally recognized official reserve
currency stored by central banks, and used by half of the world population is a store
of wealth. China, India, 3 billion Asians use it so you
know what, it’s like I’ve said that before. If you don’t like a Picasso, you don’t have
to buy it. Doesn’t mean it’s not valuable. Doesn’t mean that there isn’t a market for
it. It’s the same thing with gold. If you don’t believe it, you don’t have to. There’s 3 billion people do. That’s a big enough market for it to be transparently
priced 24 hours a day, pretty much, seven days a week. Well, actually to be exact, 22 hours a day,
five days a week. It starts trading in Sydney and it rolls through
the time zones. Let me ask you another question related to
cryptocurrency. Would you want to have a form of payment,
where every time you bought a cup of coffee or anything you bought, went to the supermarket,
you would have to record exactly how much you spend and report this transaction to the
tax authorities, would that make a lot of sense? I don’t think it’d make a lot of sense, but
the fact of the matter is that today– and this is not just a question about cryptocurrency,
it’s the same question about gold and any other barter type commodity because cryptocurrency
today is treated as an asset, and so is gold– by the taxing authorities. Every time you spend cryptocurrency or every
time you spend gold, you’re essentially selling a small portion of that gold in exchange for
whatever good, cup of coffee or whatever it is you’re getting. That is a taxable barter transaction. It is reportable and if you’re not reporting
it, you’re breaking the law. I take you back to the other question, is
this a good idea for every transaction you ever do to be immutably and perpetually recorded
on a database that you do not control and can be audited by the government later on
going back to the very beginning? Because if you’re doing this and you’re not
paying the taxes, you’re committing tax crimes for which you can be prosecuted in the indefinite
time in the future. That’s one question you should think about. One more question. Is it a good idea for example, why do we store
cash in the bank? Why don’t we just carry it all in the wallet? It’s a wallet, it’s inconvenient, but what
if it were convenient, would you carry all your money with you all the time? What if you get robbed? What if somebody puts a gun to your head and
says your wallet or your life and you get your wallet, you just gave your whole life
away. A lot of people in cryptocurrency world are
very confident in the encryption, in the private keys and the level of privacy that that provides. Well, I recently read about situation in UK
where a hacker who stole a bunch of Bitcoin was arrested and they wanted him to return
the Bitcoin for restitution. Well, they didn’t have to crack his wallet,
they just had to crack him and it didn’t take long. They said, you can go away for 20 years if
you don’t give us your private key, or we can cut a deal with you and you’d go away
for four years or something like that, if you give us the private key and give up all
the Bitcoin that you have stolen. What do you think? How long do you think it took? It didn’t take very long at all. They broke him. They didn’t need to break any codes. The problem with carrying stuff with you,
that knowledge, that private key is essentially you are giving license to anybody to take
your body or take your person, whether it’s the state or a robber and break you as to
where you give it up. Now, if you have gold stored in a different
country, or if you have cash stored somewhere in the bank, they can break you but getting
to actually your gold and your money is many additional steps because those are stored
by fiduciaries who would be checking whether this is a coercive withdrawal, or whether
this is a legitimate withdrawal by you under without duress. That’s another question that I think everybody
should answer for themselves, whether that’s a good idea or not. Let me give you another example, for example,
around these questions why it’s important sometimes to not necessarily have records
of everything you do forever, because we don’t know the future and we don’t know what happens. Right here in the United States, we don’t
need to go far, in the 1930s during the Great Depression, for obvious reasons, a lot of
people turned to socialism and communism and were very active in various Communist Party
of the United States, the social revolutionary parties and so forth. It wasn’t considered illegal or anything. These were alternative freedom of expression. Come 1950s, McCarthyism, and all of a sudden,
people started losing their jobs, their livelihood. Some people committed suicide, because they
were actively pursued by authorities for something they did 20 years earlier. If you’re buying pot perfectly legally today
in the state of Massachusetts using, let’s say, Bitcoin, and then it again becomes a
schedule– by the way, it’s a schedule on federal drug still. Is that a good idea if 10 years from now,
the government decides to investigate who was doing that 10 years ago and then go after
them to prove a point, prove some lessons or something, or teach people some lesson? No. People’s lives were destroyed in the 1950s
for something they did 20 years earlier, which was not illegal at the time. I think that that’s something one should consider
when putting faith in this type of technology. Let’s go back to what I was talking about,
reserve currency and the importance of some common denominator for the financial system. Everybody knows about the moon and the sun. Some people can name a few planets, but a
lot of people know about the North Star. Most people have heard about the North Star. What’s so special about the North Star? It’s not the best star in the sky. It’s not particularly a pretty star, just
a star, just one of the stars. It has one unique feature in the Northern
Hemisphere that no other star possesses and that is it’s always in the same place. It’s above the North Pole. As the Earth rotates, the North Star stays
in the same place. The North Star has been used by humans from
the dawn of civilization as a navigational beacon to find their way in this world. In the same way, gold essentially for a millennia,
has served as the North Star of the financial system. People say it’s inert, it doesn’t do anything. That’s right. It doesn’t do anything. It’s the same thing. It doesn’t change. It’s an immutable same thing that’s in the
same place, and against which everything else rotates. It’s something by which you can navigate. Now, for the past 48 years, if my math is
correct, from 1971, we have been without a navigational beacon. We’re essentially sailing in a fog on a ship,
where many people say we’re in uncharted waters, and then they proceed to tell you exactly
where we are. No, no, when you say you’re in uncharted waters,
it means you don’t know where you are. When you don’t know where you are, and when
you don’t know where financially you are, because you’re not seeing any stationary targets,
the values of everything, the values of all the assets, the prices of all the securities,
they are real in this fog that we’re in. They can be monetized and exchanged in the
fog that we’re in. What we don’t know when the fog clears and
we do see the stationary navigation beacon, only then will we find out where we actually
are. Are we on the rocks, actually, or are we three
feet away from the rocks, or a we in clear water and smooth sailing? We just don’t know that. What happened in the United States in 1971,
is essentially by disconnecting the money from any scarce tether, you can say that the–
first of all, the reason it happened is the United States defaulted on its obligation. It could not pay, the French sent the destroyers
across the ocean to pick up the gold in exchange for the goods. They said you want to keep buying the goods
for IOUs, send us the real thing. They essentially called us out. We had to close the gold window. Otherwise, our gold reserves would have all
gone overseas, and we went off this gold standard. This precipitated inflation that wiped out
in the course of a couple of years, a few years, the 60% of the purchasing power of
the US dollar. From then on, it opened up the unlimited window
to credit creation out of nowhere and money creation out of nowhere. When people quibble about we’re seeing inflation,
we’re not seeing inflation, I don’t want to get into that subject because these are various
measures of inflation, but all I can tell you is that the fact that we have negative
interest rates indicate that capital is losing its value, because what is capital? Capital is some good that you have to give,
that you give to somebody for which they pay to use it. The more valuable this capital is, the more
they pay to use it. Ask yourself this question, if I’m giving
my capital to somebody, and I have to pay them to use it, what is happening to the value
of this commodity? What is happening to the value of these commodities
is it’s declining. It’s declining and the declining interest
rates, and now the negative interest rates are essentially asset inflation. They are indicating that there is more money
created out of nowhere, chasing a limited amount of real world projects that offer real
economic returns. That is what is happening and even though
we’re thinking of it as a bull market, in fact, we are watching capital devaluation,
capital being devalued. What we have not seen as the moment of truth,
when all of that, when the skies clears and we see the North Star and we bring our sextant
and we’re really calculate the position of where we are and we find out whether we’re
rich or poor in real terms, that moment remains ahead, but the signs, the outer bands of this
hurricane, if you will, are right here with us. If you’re not a meteorologist, you may think
this is just a drizzle, but it isn’t. If you’re looking at a bigger picture, what
you’re seeing is the going off the gold standard has essentially set up a crisis, which has
been now going on for 50 years that will resolve itself. It’s a super cycle, it’s a debt super cycle,
that will resolve itself with essentially devaluation of either financial assets or
currencies in which they’re denominated, one or the other and because every dollar of debt
is somebody’s asset, then for the loss of every dollar of debt they write down, that
asset disappears as well. You can think of it as overvalued inventory
on the books that nobody wants to write down. It’s the same thing. Nobody wants to write down, the auditor’s
don’t want to write down because they’ve been pining on the value of the inventory for the
last many years and if they write it down now, they will say, where have you been all
this time? You’re culpable. The management can’t do it because they’re
culpable. The banks can’t afford to do it because that
means they finance the inventory. If the inventory is not worth what everybody
says it is, then they need to take huge write downs to their books, they go bust. Regulators can’t afford for this to happen
on their watch because they have been sitting and overseeing this system and nodding their
head and not doing anything about it. In fact, they’ve been doing the opposite. They’ve been doing whatever it takes to protect
the value, the overvaluation of this inventory through lowering rates, through monetization,
through all of these different tools. I think we’re in a moment in history where
the next 35 years, next 40 years are not going to be like the last 50 years. Rates can’t go from 20 to minus one, they
can’t go from minus one to minus 20. It’s just not going to happen. As scary potentially and as disturbing as
that prospect may be, it’s time to outfit one ship for turbulent seas. How you choose your equipment and your mates
is probably what will determine the outcome of your journey and I’ll leave you with that

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  2. Great talk. For history – look at David Graeber's "Debt, the first 5,000 years". Very interesting insights. Civilisation evolves in cycles and there have been many civilisations. So its a round ribbon, but first is credit (we trust each other), then tangibles and then paper (all fiat) and finally barter before the crash and the reset into a new start. What we all know (last 20,000 years) is just one of many cycles. Many before and many to come. But rest assured, when barter come to you, then it time to find some safe place. And take some gold with you 🙂

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  4. Great interview, but this guy fails to mention that gold can be confiscated, so his comparison with Crypto is not balanced.

  5. 25:03 " can't be cancelled by anybody" (Gold) – not correct. Gold can be cancelled by somebody – as it has in the past. People forget history – don't they. Gold was cancelled in 1933. Some would then argue that that couldn't happen today, which is a never ending separate argument/debate. If it happened once by law – then it can happen again howsoever small the probability. If the financial system locks up, banks freeze etc, gold would immediately return as the 'prime predator' and would probably appreciate 10 times overnight. But the next day, 'your government' could pass a law banning all gold transactions, exchanges or purchases – on penalty of imprisonment for breaches. The day after that, Gold would plummet by 20 times (for argument sake) – and then potatoes, soybeans, pork, sugar and other commodities would rocket by 50 times. Hmmm.. but that would only be in notional values – as there would be no currency system.

    Well, I'm probably exaggerating a bit – but I hope people don't miss the point i.e. as a physical thing gold may be 'forever' but it's value is subject to controls and manipulations (even if in extreme circumstances).

  6. when fiat n credit falls..we will see who be the last curreny standing….gold or cryptos or both? this is the REAL question….so lets keep it REAL!!!!

  7. Simon is right that holding fiat is a leap of faith into the abyss but has cognitive bias regarding gold versus Bitcoin. While it's true that the Bitcoin network is dependent on internet which can be denied access to, the real question is what holds the value of your work to be spent at a later time. He himself answered this question. It's not fiat money but it's not gold either, in my opinion. I did have gold for a little bit and would probably add a lot more if my wealth would be significantly higher, but the problem with gold is that it's only a store of value – it is not possible to buy goods and services for it even if you wanted because governments have reigns over what is legal tender. So you could actually go to jail for buying tomatoes because you exchanging your gold coins for tomatoes would incur a taxable capital gains event for the seller. Just think about it.. If the Romans could dilute gold two thousand years ago, this would be a piece of cake in day to day transactions if everyone used gold with all the engineering power we have. Although Bitcoin has it's pitfalls for now, it still is the most dependable hedge against the lunacy of QE, MMT, etc. And if we lose internet in the western world, we have much bigger problems than losing our wealth. Yeah, think WW2.

  8. Wow, best explanation of sound money I've ever heard. My fear however is that those with the power to "print" money for free will (by hook or crook) keep this modern monetary system going on a lot longer than we ever thought possible. The book of Revelation talks about a time coming when "no man may buy or sell without the mark of the beast". This monetary system (or an even more powerful, all-digital version) is coming to a point where it can control everyone.

  9. Yeah, how do you send safely gold to the other side of the world? Is carrying gold on yourself safe or does it put you in danger?
    Gold is not set for the digital world, gold has not been tested yet on a digital world… The reason why vaults and banks have been created is to keep gold reserves at safer places… Moreover if you buy gold today you have to declare it to the government, KYC etc…

    What happen if you cannot trust gold fiduciaries anymore? Can you let your bitcoin key to a fiduciary and keep for yourself the password to decrypt the private key? Isn't this more safe than giving them gold in custody?

    I really don't understand the point of this man.

  10. The guy can't get over how every transaction gets recorded on a ledger when buying a coffee. Bruh how do you buy coffee with gold? Take out a chisel?
    I wish he would go into how there's 4x owner for the same unit of physical gold per paper gold.

  11. Excellent interview.
    The problem of owning crypto or GLD, they both can be confiscated and tracked .
    Physical gold coins is the only safe bet, the problem is how and where do you store it safely

  12. Great interview. Always something to learn from Simon. I really like the image showing the 6 coins of the realm over the last 2,000 year. Everyone should own a little bit of gold, not advice, just my opinion.

  13. Amazing how Simon manages to elucidate the hidden secrets of money without Mike Maloneys video series.. this video makes a great summary introduction to the issues around fiat vs gold.

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  15. People should stop saying the ledger is immutable. In cryptography there is a saying, "it's not if a system can be broken but when". Imagine that a transaction was recorded of you flying onto Epstein's island and this information being used to incriminate you. The mutual common belief of a myth can undermine you. Just look the well known backdoors that were put into precomputed elliptical curves by NIST.

  16. If you honourable gentlemen would be a miner and have physically dug out the gold I would have given you some credit. Gold is something for old-timers, it is not a means of a transaction in any shape or form. You just think who will be in charge of the world in the next 10 to 20 years? old-timers like you or millennials?

  17. He was very knowledgeable and smart until he was asked about crypto currencies, poor old man he understands finance but not technology.

  18. When the world faces a massive economic collapse, a package of ramen will be more valuable than a pound of gold. All currencies are fiat, regardless what the gold salesmen says.

  19. Meh, his questions regarding blockchain were loaded; many holes in his arguments. At least we can agree on the value of gold.

    I will respond appropriately: “OK Boomer”.

  20. Currently bitcoin has been on an uptrend, this should be an encouragement to investors because after every dump comes huge pumps and this serves as a perfect time to grow and accumulate a portfolio because its pretty affordable now but soon, getting one bitcoin will be out of the reach due to the question of affordability. That’s why I trade under the guidance of Allan Shaw who happens to be an expert and well-seasoned trader. With his daily trade signal being implemented in my trades, I have grown my portfolio from 2 btc to 8 btc in just a month. His signals are accurate, efficient, and gives you a constant profit margin. Allan can be reached through whataspp ( +48 732121976) or Telegram (@allanshaw) for his insight into trading systems and how to be profitable.

  21. Shame on RealVision for putting out this garbage. Gold will never be money. The commodity that is supposed to back the fiat, is valued in the fiat!! How is that possible, duuhh. You are wrong about crypto to. RealVision, we expect professional content from your name.

  22. This guy has probably paid a guy to explain to him cryptocurrency. The problem is that the paid guy already did not know what he was talking about, so this guy really is talking nonsense. Comparing Bitcoin to Commodore 64…. This guy knows nothing about cryptography and technology.

  23. …Gold is not scarce, mining is already being planned on asteroids and using his own example of tech getting better, when space travel gets easier and easier so will access to this "scarce" element.
    …Storing gold in another country didn't seem to help Venezuela when the UK & US governments decided to confiscate it did it?
    …Gold does not change? Gold is a soft metal which (and also relates to his early comments to weight & pound) wears away over time even the weights we use to measure things have to be re calibrated over time because of erosion. 1 + 1 will always = 2 there will always be only 21000000 Bitcoin.
    A lot of his leading arguments have simple flaws like this, simple FUD ignore.

  24. Excellent Excellent Excellent VIDEO!!! best i have seen in a long long time !!!!! thank you this guy is a treasure trove of information and he really sends it home!!!!

  25. This guy always looks down when he stutters over something or is looking for what he's going to say. Wonder what a mentalist would say about this. My gut sees a charlatan.
    Does he suggest gold eventually I couldn't finish the video? What's his final verdict of what we should do?

  26. And when das gooberment sticks a gun in your face and tells you transacting in gold and or silver is forbidden…. then what? Dont think the gooberment pigz wont do it, history shows they are capable of any atrocity… right ?? right …..

  27. Simon did a superb job explaining gold and bitcoin. Details and putting together a cogent historical narrative was enlightening and entertaining. Great work Simon !

  28. Great explanations but lack of fairness. If crypto can be confiscated by government same is true with gold as demonstrated by Executive Order 6102 signed in 1933.
    As long as people will not have full control of their representatives, these chosen people by what we call vote will steal your money what ever form it takes, gold included

  29. Wish more people understood this. Blockchain is a technology and it will do great in the future. BTC ties itself to blockchain but it cannot exist without the blockchain. Blockchain like all technologies will either die or improve and do great in the future.

  30. The irony is that he's telling us to avoid using a currency based on the internet while being broadcast by the internet.
    Also, did he say that he used to deal in credit default swaps..?!!

  31. Gold is safe. Trouble is humans. Humans are not safe. Humans get old, weak, sick, and die. Gold never gets old, never gets sick, never gets weak, and never dies. Gold will always be fine. It's the humans who will suffer.

  32. Well bad sign. Mr. Mikhailovich started out with the old myth about barter. According to anthropologist David Graeber in his book Debt: The First 5000 Years, no primitive society organized their exchange of goods around barter.

  33. When the financial system resets there has to be a standard. If that standard is gold then what would be the value of bitcoin? Simon appears to be clairvoyant in his belief that the reset will happen in terms of Gold. Right now you could make the case that gold and bitcoin are priced in an inflationary manner compared to fiat. So in a reset how much is gold worth if it's only gold and bitcoin still standing? How much is bitcoin worth priced in gold?

  34. Honest question for the gold bugs: if I wanted to buy something over the internet with gold and didn't want to trust a third party to hold the gold for me, how would I go about doing that?

  35. That was a fantastic interview and it really Cleared up a lot of indecision on how to invest for turbulent times. However, I do wish that he would have considered talking about the problems with gold. Another words how the Government can seize your gold or make you sell it. Also they could simply revalue gold As Jim rickards mentioned in one of his platform speeches. Somebody's got you every which way. but some ways I'm sure are better than others. That's the educated gamble guess you have to take If you can't afford to do all of it. !This definitely shook my confidence a bit in crypto currencies which I thought might be all the rage. This man gave in depth thought and analysis's in ways I haven't heard before. he really is a super thinker! Thanks, ERIC J.

  36. Here’s another point. What if in the future, asteroids are harvested and gold supply is doubled or quadrupled. Then gold responds to the markets and goes down on value like any other commodity.

  37. For a stacker this is basic but his examples are sublime. For everyone watching forgo the next new tech toy and buy some silver. Also, stop watching activist actors posing as journalists on the CNN propaganda network. Do these two things and the only way you can go is up.

  38. I think this man only understand bitcoin on surface. Yes there is only one gold,and there is only one bitcoin. Most people own gold in electronic form only,if solar flare come it will delete all bank accounts,stocks shares,and 90% of electronic gold. I am sure bitcoin will survive solar flare its alredy in satelites around earth,and sure somebody is running node from faradey cage. Unlike comodore 64 bitcoin is protocol that can be upgraded it isnt hardware so he is comparing apples to oranges here. Yes if we are going to go to stoneage without electricity gold is future,but for new generations,for new digital society bitcoin is new digital gold!

  39. well, in all fairness people have been calling for a disaster every year since 2008 and what we have actually received is fiat devaluation to keep the growth engine going. there is no sign that is stopping. own gold, own bitcoin, own stocks because the picture is very clear that fiat is a short term holding only. you use it, spend it etc. holding larger amounts in the bank is just a great way to slowly evaporate your wealth. i mean, look back. in 1933 a 20 dollar coin is worth 1480 today. hasn't even been 100 years. if you want to leave your kids wealth it needs to be in land, gold and i think bitcoin has a real shot at being included in that statement.

  40. He does not realize that bitcoin has the ability to adapt and change with technology. It is not gonna be stuck in a “commodore 64” frame work. It will upgrade with technology. Just like commodore went form 64 to commodore 128. And concerning the “breaking of a person” for his bitcoin. I keep my bitcoin stored in a safe just like my gold. It is a paper wallet and I can’t possibly remember the private key. So that “break the person” notion does not hold water with me. Everything else I agree with.

  41. I have considered all of the questions posed and have decided that my diversified positions in both BTC and gold are right on target. One of the reasons for this conclusion is that there are just way too many flaws in the logic of the questions Simon poses. I don't have time to go through them all but here are a a handful:
    1) If the government or a solar shower or anything else shuts down the internet, you (and the government) are going to have more serious concerns than how to trade BTC (or keep BTC from trading), 2) BTC has never been confiscated by the government; gold has, 3) If the government can shake you down for your keys, you can have more than one set of keys to offer; if they shake you down for your gold and its stored in another country, they can shake down the fiduciaries holding your gold too and to think they wont is being naive. 4) What happens to the price of gold if a giant meteor made of gold crashes to the Earth during that solar shower that knocks out the internet? 5) Comparing software (BTC) to hardware (Commodore 64) is comparing apples to oranges. The software written on the Commodore will still execute its commands even though new programming languages have been developed.
    In conclusion, there are going to be all sorts of people pushing back on crypto for various reasons- the most common being ignorance. The more sophisticated investors and regulators that push back against crypto nearly always have an agenda and can be broken down into two camps: a) those that have an interest in the current fiat system continuing or b) those that have some gold or gold-related services they want to sell you.
    Solution- I would like to present 3 questions to ask yourself when encountering someone that argues against crypto: 1) Does this person understand crypto? 2) Does this person have an interest in keeping the fiat system going (a banker, regulator, or other high net worth individual that wants to see the status quo continue)? 3) Does this person sell gold or gold-related products or services? If the answer to any of these questions is yes, you might want to consider their motivation before drawing any conclusions.

  42. venezuelan gold is now frozen by the British government, gold is unreliable. Cryptocurrencies now are the parallel currencies used by developing countries threatened by the dollar.

  43. Basically, Fiat is the biggest scam of human history and governments usually do not keep their word in regards to the backing of those worthless pieces of paper.

  44. If we only used stuff that have been tested, we would still be in living in caves. Boomers will have to die for this to take off unfortunately as they are not willing to give their power away.

  45. One of the best videos I have watched. I will like to just add how to licate North Star from anywhere at night in clear skies. My father showed me how to locate it one night when one summer night we were sleeping on terraceand he showed me SAPTARSHI a group of seven stars whose leading two stars point to north star which is known as DHRUVA tara

  46. A friend of a friend 🙂 was wondering what anyones' thoughts are on Gold ETF positions in a traditional IRA for asset diversification/preservation. Has possession of physical, of course, but has concerns about retirement funds that have built up over time. Most of the typical funds available, even conservative, are looking vulnerable at this point….

  47. Let me ask you a question: Are 20 to 40 year olds (the up and coming economic producers) going to have a tendency to digital money or gold, which is expensive to secure, transact in, doesn't scale well, and the government owns most of it? How do you buy bread or any small value object with gold? How do you trust the any central authority that says their digital gold is actually backed by real digital gold? Haven't we learned by history that 1) your gold will cannot be easily carried across a border. 2) any central authority backing a paper money/digital money by gold will always eventually lie to you about the backing of your digital/paper receipt. 3) do you think your gold purchases haven't been surveiled by the NSA? How much of economic activity is being done in person, physically, and how much is international/digital?

  48. Gold and Bitcoin have different pros and cons. Which is easier to move, $1 million in gold or $1 million in Bitcoin from one country to another if both countries use Bitcoin?

    Bitcoin is nothing more than digital gold and should be treated that way. Buy your everyday items with fiat, store your wealth in Bitcoin like gold. Convert the Bitcoin into fiat when needed.

  49. The government will prevent gold and silver from being traded if it decides to do so. The government can and may confiscate any listed gold and any gold stored in any banks. It may even break in your home if it wants to. How easy a government can interfere with your life can be seen how it deals with internet censorship, customs regulations etc.

  50. Bitcoin has again shot past $7000 per bitcoin, giving fresh hope after been stuck in a bear market for over a month now , the second weekend in a row the bitcoin price has rallied. The bitcoin price has struggled to break out of its long-running bear market so far this year, with investors and traders desperately trying to call a bottom to the tumbling market.  Well, a careful study shows this is only temporary as bitcoin is poised for a steady uphill move. What this means is there is no better time to accumulate bitcoins than now. What do you do after buying? One school of thought says to hold onto for maybe 10 years and cash out when the value moons but that is risky in all ramifications. The safest thing to do so as to take full advantage of the crypto era is to buy as much as possible and then trade to increase your holdings which you would have to use a whole lot of money to acquire if you where strictly a hodler. Find a system that works and after testing, either as strategies or signals, be disciplined enough to stick with it. If you haven’t heard of Mr Mark Jean , I’d be surprised because he has one of the best systems of patterns and signals for trading. He actually taught me most of what I know and I made my first $100,000 using his system in just over 6 months . You can reach him at Marktrading884 @ yahoo . com  or via WhatsApp +12098817868 and telegram @ Marktrading884 if you need some help and have questions about being a consistent profitable trader

  51. 26:29 "There is only one kind of gold, and its truly scarce" Until we find gold on Mars or until we make gold using an Asimov Transmuter.

  52. Some of the questions he asks about cryptocurrency are very dated. Questions concerning scalability, tech updates, and security to be specific. These have been solved. His point about transactions and reporting to the IRS are spot on though, but that is a regulatory issue, not an inherent problem with crypto.

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